Re^2: PM3 vs USR TC

Holger Koepke (holger@mms.de)
Thu, 26 Sep 1996 14:20:59 GMT

On Wed, 25 Sep 1996 20:02:28 -0700 (PDT), MegaZone <megazone@livingston.com>
wrote:

> Once upon a time Holger Koepke shaped the electrons to say...
> >> I was asked about this in email:
> >And YOU are asking for a reply :-)
>
> Hey, we're always open to feedback.

I know :-)

> >> * Going by their docs you also need the Network Management Card and
> >> Total control manager. More stuff to buy. I can't compare price as,
> >> again, they don't seem to put that up anywhere.
> >Hey! But they HAVE a fine SNMP solution! And you DON'T need this stuff to
>
> Yes they do, and our SNMP support is weak. We know. What we'd love to
> hear is a detailed request for just what you want to see in SNMP support.

You only know how much you love features, if you are in trouble. And in this
case, I want to have as much possibilities as you can put into the code. And who
has made troublesolving, knows what I am talking about.

> Improving SNMP is on the engineering agenda for this year (our year starts
> in September) and user feedback will greatly help shape that. Demand for
> improved SNMP has sort of been a low key issue, always there but not high
> volume. We respond to demand. But as we complete high demand items like
> OSPF and BGP we will have resources to turn to projects like SNMP.
> Let us know what you want, and for those who really want SNMP and haven't
> asked for it - Ask for it! (Not on the list please, I'm sure everyone doesn't
> want to read that. Send it to sales@livingston.com - although the discussion
> of what it desired might work here...)
>
> >configure the modem/netserver/PRI-card. We are waiting a long time now, to ha
>
> So you can run a TC without the Network Management card?

Absolutly nor problem with that, you only need the NMC to configure all of the
components remotly. It's much smarter and easier to handle, than making a telnet
to every f*****g modem :-)

> Ok, their docs
> certainly do not make that clear - quite the opposite:
> <BLOCKQUOTE>
> PRI Access System Minimum Requirements
>
> NETServer PRI Card with version 3.1 software
> Dual PRI Card Set with 3.0 firmware
> Quad Modem Card Sets with 3.0 software
> (for processing analog calls)
> Network Management Card with versions 4.0 software
> Total Control Manager with version 4.0 software
> </BLOCKQUOTE>
>
> I don't know, to me it certainly sounds like they intend for you to buy
> it - 'minimum requirements'.

Do you know my problem with marketing guys? They have NO idea what they are
talking about :-)

>
> >MLPPP, PPTP,
>
> We do MLPPP.
>
> We looked at PPTP and rejected it. It is a badly designed protocol - have
> you looked at the specs? Yuck.
>
> We're working on a HW encryption option to do VPN in a much cleaner fashion.

PPTP is now a "none-player", but I think with NT 4.0 the costumers will ask for
that. There are some benefits in using it.

> >2x Powersupplies (1 Backup - Do you have backup PS?)
>
> No we do not. But our failure rate is so low it is a shock when a
> powersupply goes... I've been here over a year and have never heard from
> a customer with a failed PS. I'm sure it does happen, maybe I can get figures
> on that...

So low, BUT..... There are some users, which are easily willing to pay some
bucks more, but stay on the secure side of the application...

>
> >That means, that you are free to put in, what fits. You can have (in europe,
> >because of E1) 4x Dual-PRI with 8 spanlines, which are 240 lines, with 4
> >Netservers 60. Than you have 8 slots for modems=24 analogports.
>
> I'm slightly confused.
>
> 17 slots. 1 NMC.
> 16 slots. 4 Dual PRI cards, 240 lines
> 12 slots. 12 Quad modem cards = 48 modems, 48 analog ports.
>
> Or did I miss something?

Yepp! You lost the 4 Netserver! 60 ISDN-lines are: 1 PRI-card AND 1 Netserver

>
> Which means 192 ISDN only ports...

Wrong, sorry.
You have incomming 240 line (4x2 x30), and depending on the caller, the
incomming call is forwarded to an "analog"modem or the netserver. The PRI-card
is only an intelligent "build-in-PBX"

>
> Are you looking for a high-density, ISDN only solution? If people want that,
> speak up. As I've said, we respond to demand.

Both is asked. There are SOOOOO many costumers, with so many different wishes.

> Shooting from the hip here (ie, don't even think of holding me to it or
> holding anyone else to it) I could see a chassis that takes mulitple main
> boards from a PM-3 and does just ISDN. Of course you'd have an ethernet
> interface for each 2 PRIs... Maybe a new board with no ether... Maybe a
> new design entirely, just based on the PM-3 technology... Etc...

Time will show, what YOUR costumers are asking for.

> But we can't build a product to meet requirements we haven't seen. So if
> people are looking for a high density PRI solution, speak up. Tell your
> sales reps what you want. The PM-3 is in response to demand for an
> integrated ISDN/analog solution. We heard you and acted.

That's what I like :-)

> >the 18th and 19th slot are for PSs.
>
> Ok, thanks.

You're welcome..

Have fun & remember to sleep,
Holger

PS: Anybody cookies?

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