>I for one believe the minority complained....We have NO use for 2400 and
>do not except accounts with less than 14.4 modems....We have about 2600
>customers and I would NOT sell them a PPP account at that speed. I really
>believe MOST real ISP's do not need 2400 baud. Its just another rate the
>modem has to go through and more code to fail or cause a problem......I
>hope it is dropped in upcoming OS' releases......
There's more in this world than PPP. We for instance have a large unix
and uucp based customer base too. You'd be amazed to see how many 2400
connects we get. And unless your modem is 1200, it wont have to go through
2400 :)
>This is a prime example of the loud minority (numbers of PM's owned not
>numbers of users of this list) getting your attention. If they have to
How do you know? Do you have inside information on Livingston customer
interaction? Not everything is handled on this list, I wouldnt even be
amazed if this list is small compared to other forms of communication
with Livingston.
>Just give us products that work for 98% of the folks! I do not understand
>why someone would waste a pri on 2400 baud....just doesn't make good
A customer is a customer, no matter if he connects on 28.8 or 2400.
>use it at 2400. Lets put the focus on things the majority of us badly
>need....ie OSPF for all the PM-2's many of your customers have and will
>continue using. I am surprised that so much effort would be put on this
>when other more pressing items need to be addressed NOW! O S P F !
How naieve. Do you honestly think they have 3 engineers there, and
once every week they get together to discuss which code they'll work
on that week? I've never been at Livingston, but id be very amazed if
the OSPF engineers arent completely seperate from the telco engineers.
>need for all my old livingston products. Your lack of support for current
>routing technology is keeping your company from being great (and is a pain
>in the ass for us) and concerns me about Livingstons ability to follow
>through with complete completion.
Well, its very simple. IRX didnt have OSPF, we didnt buy IRX but cisco.
It's really Livingston's loss. We have over 50 cisco 2500 series now
just for infrastructure. As soon as IRX or other livingston products have
OSPF, they'll be looked at again. No sense in dwelling on it. And im sure
Livingston realises that, you really dont have to tell them that for the
zillionth time.
>to your present customer base and give us what you said you would 5
>months ago....Or are you just looking for new BIG customers and the heck
>with the folks that made you what you are today. I am mad as Hell over
>this focus on 2400b and NO OSPF.
A lot of 'big customers' were once not so big, and were probably the ones
that made livingston :)
>stepping off soapbox...Livingston, I hope for your sake you are getting
>this message and will again get your priorites straight and become the
>Responsive Livingston I know and love.........
Or else they'll loose an 8 portmaster customer? Threatening your
supplier is not the way to do business. If you're unhappy, buy something
else. We were unhappy with the IRX, and bought Cisco. We're happy with
the PM2, and kept buying them.
Cor