> Once upon a time Prof Jake Messinger shaped the electrons to say...
> >I think the PM 3 is supposed to be the Livingston version of the MAX. The
> >PM 3 cannot do as much as the max, YET. In other words, it only does the 2
> >pri's whereas max can take up to 4 T1's.
>
> BFD.
What do you mean by bfd? I was just trying to indicate what I thought the
difference was. You get really defensive even when there is no need, MZ.
>
> 1. The PM-3 is smaller over all, so the total volume isn't radically different.
What does that mean?
> 2. The PM-3 is less expensive per port. 2 PM-3s should run less than 1 4004.
Ascend has lowered their prices accross the board. The stret price on a
4004 is under $10k now. Street price for 2 PM 3's would be arond $6500
each or $13k.
> 3. Putting 4 T1s in one chassis is riskier than 2 in 2 chassis.
There are pro's and cons to that. Yes I agree that it is better to do 2
t1's into 2 chassis, but what if you have 8 t1's ? Or you could just buy a
4002 for around $7k (a little more than the PM 3). BTW, the Max 4004 has
redundant power supplies.
> 4. The PM-3 can FULLY populate the PRI/T1 lines with modems. ALL channels
> can be used. The 4004 with 4 PRI/T1 has up to 96 lines but only 72 modems.
Which is 24 more than the PM 3's current maximum config.
> 5. The Ascend has all kinds of videoconferencing code, etc, that we just
> aren't interested in doing.
Oooh neato!
Hey can I get PMconsole for the Max 4004? ;-)
> I did this a while back, I'll comment it:
>
> PM-3 vs MAX 4002
>
> I picked the 4002 because it is the closest MAX to the PM-3 - 2 PRI
>
> Both have 6 expansion slots, single ethernet, dual PRI.
>
> The MAX 4002/4004 is US only however and is apparently limited to 48
> modems. The PM-3 goes to 60.
Currently the PM 3 can only do 48 according to your sales staff.
The 4002 can be upgraded in the field to a
> 4004 with 4 PRIs, something we cannot do (You'd need another chassis). But
> at that point you have 96 lines of PRI and 72 modems max (their cards
> are 12 modems per). So you can't use a full box on all channels for analog
> support. I think that is a drawback to the design personally, but I've a
> feeling it is a religious issue with no real right answer.
Their new 16 modem cards will solve that when and if they ever come out
with them.
>
As for the rest of your comments, I really think they are biased, which is
understandable since you work for them. I dont work for Ascend OR
Livingston and I use BOTH products. So far, I like the MAX, mostly cuz I
dont have a PM 3 yet and the MAx does what I need it to do.
Check out www.starcomsales.com for comparison pricing.
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Advanced Medical Systems, Inc. 800-324-8594 jake@uh.edu
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