> Well, you can say the very same things about us and Ascend.
>
> >2. Box is probably the most powerfull, because of
> > the extensive cisco IOS. (2511 is a feature rich box)
>
> More code = more bugs and more complexity. Don't forget that.
>
> Yes it has more features. DO YOU NEED THEM?! That is the question. Do
> not buy a box because it has feature X unless you need feature X. The
> more features a box has the more likely it is to have bugs and the more
> complexity involved. (Simple, the more lines of code the more bugs you
> will have, I forget the name of the law...) Cisco boxes are bloated with
> every feature they can cram in - a different way of doing things. We
> quite deliberately to not add in every feature we are asked to add. That
> keeps the code lean and keeps it focused on doing a few things the best
> it can.
While I like Livingstons for their simplicity, IOS in all it's bloated
granduer has features and power the Livingston's simply can't begin to
match. It is rather amusing to hear you continually making remarks about
"bloated OS's" in the 90's when :
1) CPU's are cheap.
2) Ram is cheap.
If it takes a 68050 to do what your 386/40 does, who really cares, in the
final analysis? End users for the most part do not care what chips you are
running, or how streamlined the OS is. They care about price, performance
and features. Livingston is definitely a good contendor(sp?) in price,
and is performs well in the tasks that it is suited for. Cisco has, and
will probably always have you beat in features and scalability.
> >3. Cisco IOS is common across all cisco boxes
>
> ComOS common across all Livingston boxes. And actually, to a greated
> extent!
>
> Are you aware that 'Cisco IOS' is NOT the same code tree on all boxes?
> ALL versions of ComOS are built from the same code tree.
Again, who care? "If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck..."
> >5. Only does 48 modems per box as opposed to ASCEND appx 96
>
> 1. It has analog modems and a codec, NOT digital modems.
> 2. Ascend only goes to 72 modems. You cannot load an ASCEND with a modem
> for every B channel.
>
> >1. Seem to have a large share of the market, UUNET uses
> > many many Ascend boxes
>
> Netcom is basically all Livingston. We have large customers too.
Yes, but is Netcom a client you really want to brag about, especially when
UUNET is mentioned?
> I wouldn't say that. You are equating power to the number of features.
> We have fewer features - no contest. But do you need anything they do
> that we do not do?
Yes. Which is why we just bought an Ascend MAX, and have Cisco's as
gateway routers.
We have a PM-3 on order. But as it isn't shipping yet, who knows?
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